At leats this shows that people are questioning it. If it isn't a problem they are faced with, it is simply not mentioned. So this is becoming a pain point. Certainly for years they were stating that the deminishing number showed how close to Armageddon we were, something now coming back to bite them.
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GB's response to rising Memorial partakers
by 5thGeneration inbr.
pierce addressed the rising number of memorial partakers at the convention on sunday.. he said that many are asking why the number of partakers is going up year after year.. his response (paraphrasing): "it's none of our business.
it's jehovah's business".. in other words, shut up and keep your place.. 5th.
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Reports of Jesus' (death or resurrection) may have been later?
by Terry inconsider this possibility.
what if jesus' contemporaries, hanger's on, entourage, posse, disciples and apostles never gave a single thought at all.
to his having been raised from the dead?
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There is not one single source, outside the Bible, that confirms Jesus even lived. Josephus makes mention of Jesus, but Josephus was born after Jesus died. Also the one paragraph that mentions the Christ is almost certainly added to his works later by others.
The Gospels themselves were written around 70CE, so also 35-plus years after Jesus died and not while roaming the med with him.
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Field service reporting
by gutted inso one of the elders called asking for my time.
i lied, somewhat.
yes i did talk to people about the "truth" but not in favourable terms.. has anyone simply stated, "i have not been in service this month"?
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It is fun to hand in your FSR with ZERO hours noted on it, yer the numeral 0. See the reaction.
Personally I just stopped reporting and never was questioned...but this is in Europe.
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Consequences for remarriage if "unscripturally" divorced???
by compound complex ingreetings, fellow posters, happy couples, resigned singles:.
i know many of you are happily partnered, irrespective of wt rules and regulations on "appropriate" matches.. if you have had a so-called unscriptural divorce and are or were known as a jw, have you dated, lived with another person - a "significant other" - or remarried?.
if you can answer "yes" to any of the above, what were the consequences for you amongst jw family and friends?.
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This is what the Flock book (Elders Manual) has to say on page 135:
Courting or dating when one party is not free to marry is
wrong. (w80 8/1 pp. 30-1 ; w68 4/15 pp. 255-6)
Strong counsel and repeated warnings should be given,
and if the counsel is ignored, the individual(s) may be
marked. (2 Thess . 3 :14, 15)
When such action has escalated to the point where it has
become shocking and repeated efforts to help adjust the
situation have been ignored, there may be basis for taking
disfellowshipping action . (Gal . 5 :19; w83 3/15 p. 31 ;
w73 9/15 pp . 574-6)
If a person who has entered into an adulterous marriage is
eventually reinstated, it would be a rare case for him to
be recommended to serve in a responsible position in the
congregation, at least not until after the remarriage or
death of the mate he put away without Scriptural basis .
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On A Scale Of 1 to 10 What Type Of "Apostate" Are You?
by minimus inare you barely on the scale or are you a hardcore "apostate"?.
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According to WTBTS terms, I probably score an 8, with Ray Franz being a 10 and people like Barbara Anderson and Randy Walters being a 9.
However, I view myself (and the persons I mentioned above) as a person who just want to get the FACTS straight and will do whatever I can to expose the (printed) lies of the WTBTS. Does wanting FACTS and the REAL truth make me an Apostate. If it does, then I proudly carry that label.
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Pretty funny Facebook post by young JW
by tresdecu inso, i have the day off and am wasting time on fb.
came across this post by a friend of a friend etc...i won't post his name with the comment, but this was on his wall:.
"thank you everyone who wished me well today.
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Able to drink LEGALLY...meaning "I did this all the time anyway, only now it is legal"
and indeed a BJ would be nice to...
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WT September 15, 2010 - The Faithful and NOT SO Discrete Slave
by Designer Stubble inthe wt of september 15, 2010 (kool-aid version) has two articles on unity.
one is titled: unity identifies true worship and the other christian unity glorifies god.
of course it is more uniformity, not true unity.
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Examples of songs elevating the FDS:
Song 51/11: Making Jehovah’s Heart Glad
Old Book (Song 51):
2. May we from your side never move;
A liar the Tempter we would prove.
Your principles and laws so right
We would make daily our delight.
New Book (Song 11):
2. Your slave, your steward here on earth,
Proclaims your greatness and your worth,
Feeds us with nourishment when due,
Thus strengthens us your will to do.Song 174 and 43 - Stay Awake, Stand Firm, Grow Mighty.
Second verse: Old book - "In his place each one be heeding, what Christ Jesus has to say" - NEW ONE -> "Stay alert to Christ's direction, Through his faithful slave today, heed the counsel of the older men"
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WT September 15, 2010 - The Faithful and NOT SO Discrete Slave
by Designer Stubble inthe wt of september 15, 2010 (kool-aid version) has two articles on unity.
one is titled: unity identifies true worship and the other christian unity glorifies god.
of course it is more uniformity, not true unity.
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The WT of September 15, 2010 (kool-aid version) has two articles on Unity. One is titled: “Unity Identifies True Worship” and the other “Christian Unity Glorifies God”. Of course it is more UNIFORMITY, not true unity. Once again the Faithful and Discrete slave proved to be not so discrete, as they literally placed themselves in the place of Jesus. I am so glad not to have to listen to this crap any more. Please read the quotes below, directly taken from the WT:
We cannot hope to acquire a good relationship with Jehovah if we ignore those whom Jesus has appointed to care for his belongings. Without the assistance of “the faithful and discreet slave,” we would neither understand the full import of what we read in God’s Word nor know how to apply it.
In this time of the end, Christ has committed “all his belongings”— all the earthly interests of the Kingdom—to his “faithful and discreet slave” and its representative Governing Body, a group of anointed Christian men. The anointed and their other sheep companions recognize that by following the lead of the modern-day Governing Body, they are in fact following their Leader, Christ.
Jesus had prophesied that “on arriving” to inspect his domestics during “the conclusion of the system of things,” he would find a slave providing them “food at the proper time.” He would pronounce that slave happy and would “appoint him over all his belongings” on earth. As Head of the Christian congregation, Christ has used this “faithful and discreet slave” to administer His Kingdom interests on earth. He has provided direction for the anointed “domestics” and their “other sheep” companions by means of a Governing Body.
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http://www.jw-media.org/aboutjw/article23.htm
by booby inthis is prompted by a fokyc comment on the thread "what question would you ask a visiting governing body member?".
can anyone read the garbage referenced by that link without saying "bullshit?
" they mention several times how important the children are and yet the article seems more to be insisting that they have this high moral ground to protect the accused.
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So the two witness rule still applies.
Then the example of a 18 and 15 year old, where the majority is far younger.
Finally stating that no human organization is perfect - where as in all other cases it is so called "Jehovah's spirit driven organization".
This is repulsive and makes me sick. Glad I am no longer part of such a degraded pedophile organization.
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DC 2010 Release - The Origin of Life and its many misquotes
by Designer Stubble inlooking up all the references is a lot of work - one of the reasons nobody normally verifies these, but trust the writers.
as you will see, the writers are banking on this, but it is not a good thing to trust the wtbts writers.
please find the bibliography worked out for quotes 38-51, covering the heading "what about human evolution".. interesting is that many quotes are from the [u]preface[/u] of books, where the authors honestly explain the difficulties and assumptions related to evolutionary science.. [b]what about human evolution?[/b].
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Started with the heading on HUMAN EVOLUTION, hence from 38 onward. I am now working on 1-37.